On a Double-Standard and Absolutes

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Description: To go along with this, I highly recommend Pat Condell's video, "Absolute Certainty": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF3yb1g30Io
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charlietcc ::: Favorites "I mean that morality depends on understanding truth, but truth does not imply morality. <b>Thus, something moral is not necessarily true.</b>" An obvious conclusion would be that something true is not necessarily moral. How you get the bolded conclusion from your premises escapes me. 07-05-11 20:25:45 _____________________________________________________
charlietcc ::: Favorites "it usually means they can't justify it" I can justify that one easily enough. All that is required is agreement on definitions. "It depends how you define 'immoral', and that's not a very 'obvious' thing, IMO." On the contrary, I think that regardless of the limitations of language, nothing could be <i>more</i> obvious. 07-05-11 20:32:07 _____________________________________________________
wonderist ::: Favorites Obviously I meant the reverse. 07-05-17 06:48:41 _____________________________________________________
wonderist ::: Favorites Okay, so what's your definition of immoral? 07-05-17 06:48:59 _____________________________________________________
charlietcc ::: Favorites Immorality is doing the wrong thing. Wrong = unjust, which murder is by definition. 07-05-18 17:58:13 _____________________________________________________
wonderist ::: Favorites Define justice. How can you identify an event as a murder or non-murder? What is the *operational* definition of immorality? Without it being operational, the definition merely begs the question. 07-05-25 12:57:49 _____________________________________________________
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charlietcc ::: Favorites "Define justice." There's no way to do that and avoid circularity. Like the concept of addition/subtraction, you either know what it is or you don't. "What is the *operational* definition of immorality?" If I understand the question properly, there is no such thing. Every situation is different, but the ineffable principle by which one determines the proper course of action is always the same. 07-05-26 00:34:18 _____________________________________________________
wonderist ::: Favorites So, then you admit that defining 'immoral' is not obivous. That was entirely my point. 07-05-30 11:37:16 _____________________________________________________
charlietcc ::: Favorites <i>So, then you admit that defining 'immoral' is not obivous.</i> I don't even know what this means. Defining morality is impossible, because as C.S. Lewis might have said, it's too definite for words. That aside, some things are obviously wrong, except we take pains to avoid that perception by way of analysis or some other denial mechanism. 07-05-31 15:10:29 _____________________________________________________
anubis2anubis2 ::: Favorites Lo, and he were found through Judelicious. 07-07-21 03:44:29 _____________________________________________________